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Taddeusz
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Forced Subtitles

Post by Taddeusz » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:09 am

How about an option to extract only forced subtitles? As sometimes forced subtitles are mixed in with the regular ones.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by mike admin » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:15 am

Thanks for suggestion, we'll investigate. Do you know any specific disc that uses this feature?

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by foghat » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:10 pm

Has a forced subtitle option been added yet or does mkvmake include them by default? After Christmas I will be starting to rip and mkv my blurays and would love to use makemkv, as it seems like the most elegant solution out there. But not having forced subtitles is a deal breaker. Reason being, while some I know for sure, I simply won't be able to remember (or won't know) all the movies that have forced subtitles in them.

I guess, my question is, will mkvmake pickup and display only forced subtitles? If I have to include subtitles to get forced subtitles that is fine - as long as I can view only forced subtitles when watching a movie.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by mike admin » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:47 am

There is no distinction yet. But if subtitles are hard subtitles (burnt into video) then of course they will be always preserved.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by foghat » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:38 pm

To make sure we are talking about the same thing when I say forced subtitles and you say hard subtitles. Assuming a movie with english dialogue, I am talking about a movie that does not have subtitles turned on, yet in some scenes, where a different language is being spoken, subtitles will appear. I believe we are talking about the same thing.

My reason for confusion about your comment, is when I was doing my dvd conversions to mp4 using Handbrake, I has to specifically select the 'Forced subtitle' option or these hard subtitles would not appear. So, if the hard subtitles are 'burnt into the movie' as you put it, i don't understand what selecting forced subtitles would have done - unless without selecting it, handbrake somehow stripped them out?

Is it a correct statement to say that forced subtitles are always burnt into the movie and will thus appear in the mkv that mkvmaker produces?

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by Mikep » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:50 pm

mike admin wrote:There is no distinction yet. But if subtitles are hard subtitles (burnt into video) then of course they will be always preserved.
HI, I just started using MakeMKV today. My first project was Angels and Demond BluRay. I let the program find the BluRay in my drive and pressed the button to get it going. The result was a great MKV of the title I chose which was the theatrical version, picture and sound were great, however the hard subtitles are missing. What did I do wrong?

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by ringobob » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:15 pm

"Hard" subtitles and Forced subtitles are different things. "Hard" subtitles wouldn't technically be considered subtitles per se... it's like the opening credits, it's text that is just part of the video, and sometimes movies include "subtitles" to translate a foreign language in like that.

"Forced" subtitles are proper subtitles, they are part of their own subtitle track that is separate from the video, and they are set to only appear at certain times (such as when a foreign language is spoken.

What I don't know is if Forced subtitles are their own unique subtitle track that is always running and only has data for certain points of the film, or if they are somehow mixed in with regular subtitles and there is some trigger to show them only at certain times.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by Mikep » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:37 am

OK, then when I converted Angels and Demons, I guess it is the forced subtitles that are missing. When there is French spoken, on the original BluRay, there are subtitles, but on my resultant MKV, they are missing. Is there a way to have them appear in the MKV with MakeMKV?

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by ringobob » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:19 pm

Unfortunately I'm not completely sure how DVDs do forced subtitles, or what the mkv format supports. When you look at the track list for the main movie title, are there multiple subtitle tracks listed for the language you want (presumably english)? If there's only one, then I would assume that there is some kind of flag that the DVD uses to know when to display those subtitles and when not to. I would assume that makemkv doesn't support that in its current incarnation. If there is more than one, one of them might be the forced subtitle track.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by GWWhale » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:02 am

When trying to convert Angels & Demons Extended to MKV format, I notice several instances where Titles less than 120 seconds are systematically ignored. I believe these titles maybe the "forced subtitles" that are suppose to appear where a foreign language (French) is spoken. I have tried to change the minimum title length to less than 120 seconds so that these titles can be included with no luck. Is there anyway that the minimum title length can be adjusted down? I tried under Preferences - DVD - Options; however the program willnot retain the setting.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by Mikep » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:33 am

I have experience with DVDs, but am a noob with BluRay. Where in the file list do you find the subs and what is their file extension? I was looking at some of the subtitle websites and they only offer subs for DVDs and not sure if they would sync correctly with the BluRay rip. Also, when I have done it with DVDs in the past you would have to have subs on all the time just for the few instances another language was spoken, which is a pain. There's got to be an easier way for movies like this(or learn other languages!!) :D

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by pennant » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:10 am

I know the Stars Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace DVD employs forced subtitles during some alien dialogue. The Godfather is another such title. Movies such as Inglorious Basterds are actually encoded into the video, so there isn't an issue. It would be great if MakeMKV could detect the forced subtitles and set them to auto-on in the MKV file.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by mike admin » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:35 am

I see the problem - request noted, sometime in future MakeMKV will recognize forced flag and show it in GUI.

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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by dbone1026 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:56 pm

Another example would be District 9
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Re: Forced Subtitles

Post by ldoodle » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:09 am

Surely if the language is different, as in films like Apocalypto or District 9, the text should be burnt into the video, as no one would want to not see it.

I've just ripped Fast and Furious (2008) Bluray using 1.4.10 and the spanish guys foreign language is subtitled, so why would it be different for District 9?

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