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deadchip12 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:58 am

DaMacFunkin wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:23 am

deadchip12 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:58 am

Man I tried many ways but still couldn't make Gemini Man in dolby vision to run at the correct 60 fps. I suspect there is mismatch between the framerate of 2 video layers somehow since the hdr10 version runs perfectly fine at 60fps.

Hi, I have 2 set ups LG C9 and LG C7, none have problems playing back single layer Gemini man at 60fps via the internal Plex app over wired gigabit network, I have all motion processing disabled on both sets.

On my C7 I have a normal shield (2017) as Plex server and my DV files plugged into that via USB 3, I can then play them back via the built in Plex app.

On my C9 I have a new DV shield and my DV files plugged into that via a usb 3 drive, that the goes through a Denon 5.2.2 system, I can then playback via Plex on the shield or Plex on the C9 with no problems.

On my DVDfab single layer of Gemini Man I even made a 7.1 aac at quality 1.0 with neroaac codec and muxed that back in.436CABEC-0FD9-4933-847B-CEF2D33D8096.jpeg

Is there a way to make it work for double layer? I don’t really want to try making a single layer because some people say it is questionable whether the dolby vision of that is real or simply hdr10 with false dolby flag.

DaMacFunkin wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:27 pm

Yes, heard this, all I can say is Single layer DV of a movie DOES look better on the same setup than the HDR10, and Dual layer DV doesn’t look better than single layer DV.

Grencola wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:19 pm

DaMacFunkin wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:27 pm

Yes, heard this, all I can say is Single layer DV of a movie DOES look better on the same setup than the HDR10, and Dual layer DV doesn’t look better than single layer DV.

when people used a luxometer and other various tools to measure movie scenes nits of single-layer dv mp4 vs their regular hdr10 counterpart, NO increase in brightness was detected. however when measuring dual-layer dv mp4s there was a much higher increase of nits in all specular highlights, that matched exactly what the uhd-bd disc brightness was. basically dvdfab inserts a false flag so your TV says dv, and then your brain goes ooh boy dolby vision! and the placebo effect kicks in..

mulucy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 pm

So, it's confirmed that at this stage DVDFab made single layer DV is basically a fake? Are you sure?

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:53 am

mulucy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 pm

So, it's confirmed that at this stage DVDFab made single layer DV is basically a fake? Are you sure?

Since I haven't done any of the testing myself, I can't be 100% sure, no. but far smarter people than me have tested it multiple times in multiple ways and they all seem to reach a similar conclusion. this is also why I have been so hesitant to make a tool for easy single-layer mp4s. I don't want to perpetuate any pseudo tech. I'll stick with true dual layer, and my next update should allow for hd-audio + atmos in the mp4s it creates.

mulucy wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:48 am

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:53 am

mulucy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 pm

So, it's confirmed that at this stage DVDFab made single layer DV is basically a fake? Are you sure?

Since I haven't done any of the testing myself, I can't be 100% sure, no. but far smarter people than me have tested it multiple times in multiple ways and they all seem to reach a similar conclusion. this is also why I have been so hesitant to make a tool for easy single-layer mp4s. I don't want to perpetuate any pseudo tech. I'll stick with true dual layer, and my next update should allow for hd-audio + atmos in the mp4s it creates.

It makes sense. Why Gemini Man, made using the DVDFab DV Single layer, has a choppy playback and it requires a good HDMI cable, whereas the same movie in HDR10 works smooth? I am not trying to argue with the fact, to be honest. Genuinely curious

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:53 am

mulucy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 pm

So, it's confirmed that at this stage DVDFab made single layer DV is basically a fake? Are you sure?

Since I haven't done any of the testing myself, I can't be 100% sure, no. but far smarter people than me have tested it multiple times in multiple ways and they all seem to reach a similar conclusion. this is also why I have been so hesitant to make a tool for easy single-layer mp4s. I don't want to perpetuate any pseudo tech. I'll stick with true dual layer, and my next update should allow for hd-audio + atmos in the mp4s it creates.

rosavanwinkle wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:58 am

so you play your media in dual layer,and may i ask how you play that too your tv? are you using something like plex?
a nvidia shield tv? a nas? i'm curious. mainly because i have a shield tv pro and from what i heard they can only play
single layer?

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:21 am

rosavanwinkle wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:58 am

so you play your media in dual layer,and may i ask how you play that too your tv? are you using something like plex?
a nvidia shield tv? a nas? i'm curious. mainly because i have a shield tv pro and from what i heard they can only play
single layer?

LG TV's (series 7/8/9) Plex app can direct play dual-layer dv movies no problem. The newer models also support e-arc so it can passthrough true-hd + atmos / dts-hd ma + dts:x. If you own a different supported TV and are stuck using its usb media player, you'll still get Dolby Vision ok, but unfortunately the audio needs to adhere to regular arc limitations (dd+ eac3 at best).

rosavanwinkle wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:37 am

i'm using a lg SK7900PLA https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/d611126b idkit came out in 2018,
i have played via the plex app from the lg store dual layer dolby vision files,but i need a way that it doesnt constantly buffer,i'm guessing thats because its software encoding or something instead of hardware which is only for premium users

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:43 am

rosavanwinkle wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:37 am

i'm using a lg SK7900PLA https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/d611126b idkit came out in 2018,
i have played via the plex app from the lg store dual layer dolby vision files,but i need a way that it doesnt constantly buffer,i'm guessing thats because its software encoding or something instead of hardware which is only for premium users

ugh ya, software encoding is sketchy. Also to clarify I meant the LG OLED TV's. They pack a mean processor that can pretty well handle anything these days.

deadchip12 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:33 am

mulucy wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:48 am

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:53 am

Since I haven't done any of the testing myself, I can't be 100% sure, no. but far smarter people than me have tested it multiple times in multiple ways and they all seem to reach a similar conclusion. this is also why I have been so hesitant to make a tool for easy single-layer mp4s. I don't want to perpetuate any pseudo tech. I'll stick with true dual layer, and my next update should allow for hd-audio + atmos in the mp4s it creates.

It makes sense. Why Gemini Man, made using the DVDFab DV Single layer, has a choppy playback and it requires a good HDMI cable, whereas the same movie in HDR10 works smooth? I am not trying to argue with the fact, to be honest. Genuinely curious

From my experience and some other's here, Gemini Man DV single layer does not have choppy playback because it is essentially hdr10 version which runs at correct 60 fps. It is Gemini Man DV dual layer that has choppy playback because it is true DV and somehow the remuxing process messes with the framerate or whatever.

Grencola wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:21 am

LG TV's (series 7/8/9) Plex app can direct play dual-layer dv movies no problem. The newer models also support e-arc so it can passthrough true-hd + atmos / dts-hd ma + dts:x. If you own a different supported TV and are stuck using its usb media player, you'll still get Dolby Vision ok, but unfortunately the audio needs to adhere to regular arc limitations (dd+ eac3 at best).

http://4k.com/news/sony-explains-about-dolby-vision-problem-in-its-4k-hdr-tvs-partly-blames-others-23168/ wrote:Sony implemented a modification to Dolby Vision support by which most of the processing for playback of content with this kind of high dynamic range formatting is offloaded to the device from which it came from instead of being done inside the TV itself. Thus the need for complementary updates from streaming device makers. Why Sony chose this approach is still unknown but it could be because they wanted to make their Dolby Vision update as lean and easy to implement as possible.