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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:01 am
by RESET_9999
SamuriHL wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:10 pm
Alright, I threw Wizard of Oz mp4 with AC3 audio up on my Plex server for now and tested it with the LG Plex app just to validate that it works at all. First MP4 I've tested so I just wanted to rule out issues with MP4 creation. I use CloneBD for that. So once the SHIELD decides to pick up the beta Plex version I can try it there, as well. With 7.23 I'm obviously getting HDR. Once 7.24 pushes to the thing it should show me DV. Then, as mentioned in the last couple posts, the fun begins with how we can maybe get some decent audio in this thing. One step at a time. Let's get DV working first.
CloneBD can do single layer remux ?
here, someone says it doesn't work.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-netwo ... st58755042
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:51 am
by SamuriHL
I just checked the mediainfo for it. Looks like they slammed the second video track in there making it dual layer. That's an issue. I'll remake it with DVDFab.
However, that being said, I'm reading that thread and it doesn't look so promising. Maybe it's bugs in the beta....hopefully. Also, if they broke Netflix DV I'm going to be REALLY ugly.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:01 am
by RESET_9999
the problem is that I dont think the single layer remux made with DVDFAB are right. yes they trigger DV on my x700, my Vizio TV and my LG TV but the x700 OSD is not showing DV like the dual layer file does. it only say HDR.
Also, DV profile 5 is not supposed to support HDR10 and those dvdfab single layer file plays in HDR10 with madVR.
I have some real DV profile 5 files (stranger things s03) and they play in SDR with messed up colors with madVR but show DV with my x700.
sorry if im not super clear, my english is not great.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:24 am
by SamuriHL
Ok, well, if we can't get a clean DV source to play through the SHIELD then we have a larger problem. I don't particularly feel like rolling them by hand with the tools in this thread, either. This whole thing is academic for me because 1) I couldn't care less about DV on UHD rips because I use madvr on a 2070, 2) I have the UB820 to play the original DV if I ever wanted to. I just find this topic fascinating and it'd be neat to see it work. I bought the new SHIELD for DV, yes, but, for streaming services where I feel DV makes a HUGE impact. (I can't drive that through madvr without buying a $5k Envy and I'm not doing that). In any case I'm watching that thread now so if progress is made there I'll bite the bullet and make myself a proper single layer DV mp4 or go find a free demo one to play with. This thing was just released so I suspect it's going to improve over time.
P.S. Your English is quite good and I can perfectly understand what you're saying.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:26 am
by superfans124
RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:11 am
yeah, angel heart(crash) and life of pets 2(stutter) is a no go, I had to watch them in HDR10.
but I watched more than 40 DV LPCM movies with the X700 without issue. I have almost the same setup you have, I'm surprised that most of your DV remux freeze your player.
x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> C8
this is the cmd-line I used for all my remux:
maybe you already knew this, but I gave Angel Heart another shot, I mp4boxed in just the commentary ac3 track, and the dual layer mp4 plays smoothly over x700. that got me excited for a moment, then I mp4boxed in the converted lpcm, kaput...it still won't play, but it's not the "typical freeze-of-death", the screen froze but I was able and pull back to the previous menu. I don't know what conclusions can be drawn from these observations...
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:37 am
by RESET_9999
superfans124 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:26 am
maybe you already knew this, but I gave Angel Heart another shot, I mp4boxed in just the commentary ac3 track, and the dual layer mp4 plays smoothly over x700. that got me excited for a moment, then I mp4boxed in the converted lpcm, kaput...it still won't play, but it's not the "typical freeze-of-death", the screen froze but I was able and pull back to the previous menu. I don't know what conclusions can be drawn from these observations...
oh really. I'm pretty sure that I tried that too and it still refused to play. And Yes I think I was also able to stop the video.
might give this movie another try then.
BTW, I have Don't look now in DV/AC3, and it plays fine. so it could be the same issue.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:16 am
by MastaG
Also still waiting for a player which supports a format which can carry HD-audio (e.g. LPCM inside mp4-container) and DV, I hope the new Shield will make it possible.
Or find a way to mux ac3+/truehd + atmos into a mp4 container.
Now something else.. I heard there's a two kinds of DV dual-layer movies?
Those which only have DV metadata in the second layer and those with a full 1080p video track, is this true?
If yes, can someone recommend me a DV movie which has a full video track? (or a list perhaps).
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:43 am
by daddy
There is 2 kinds of DV.
FEL : Full Enhancement Layer
MEL : Minimal Enhancement Layer
from:
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologie ... rkflow.pdf
The base layer essence is a 10-bit video bitstream of the full picture element with HDR10
standards that enables compatibility with HDR10 devices.
The enhancement layer essence is a 10-bit video bitstream that carries the residual between the
mezzanine source and the base layer and the dynamic metadata for Dolby Vision.
• An enhancement layer that carries a residual signal equal to zero, that is, the decoder does not
need to process the residual signal, is called minimum enhancement layer (MEL).
• If the enhancement layer carries a residual signal not equal to zero, it is called full
enhancement layer (FEL).
5.2.1.1 MEL recommendations
In the following base layer and MEL bitrate allocation recommendations, the ratio between base layer and
MEL are fixed and scaled linearly based on the total bitrate target.
• Bitrate ratio: (98% base layer and 2% MEL) to (99.5% base layer and 0.5% MEL)
• Recommended defaults for a total 100 Mbps:
o Base layer: 99.5 Mbps
o MEL: 0.5 Mbps
• Recommended defaults for a total 50 Mbps:
o Base layer: 49.75 Mbps
o MEL: 0.25 Mbps
5.2.1.2 FEL recommendation
In the following base layer and FEL bitrate allocation recommendations, the ratio between base layer and
FEL are fixed and scaled linearly based on the total bitrate target.
• Bitrate ratio: (80% base layer and 20% FEL) to (95% base layer and 5% FEL)
• Recommended defaults for a total 100 Mbps:
o Base layer: 85 Mbps
o FEL: 15 Mbps
• Recommended defaults for a total 50 Mbps:
o Base layer: 42 Mbps
o FEL: 8 Mbps
FEL exemple: Gladiator (HEVC Video 6826 kbps)
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DISC INFO:
Disc Title: Gladiator.2000.MULTI.COMPLETE.UHD.BLURAY-EXTREME
Disc Size: 92,459,896,796 bytes
Protection: AACS2
BD-Java: Yes
Extras: Ultra HD
BDInfo: 0.5.8.7 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 10.0.8.4)
PLAYLIST REPORT:
Name: 00041.MPLS
Length: 2:50:56.495 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 79,038,529,536 bytes
Total Bitrate: 61.65 Mbps
(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 43319 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 Profile 5.1 High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR / BT.2020 /
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 6826 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 Profile 5.1 High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020 /
AUDIO:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS:X/DTS-HD Master Audio English 3821 kbps 7.1-X / 48 kHz / 3821 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio English 256 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Czech 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
* DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
* Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
SUBTITLES:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 22.751 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 22.029 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 19.562 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 20.985 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 20.635 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 20.407 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 20.529 kbps
Presentation Graphics Czech 20.365 kbps
Presentation Graphics Greek 23.529 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 71.169 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 60.246 kbps
Presentation Graphics Russian 66.866 kbps
Presentation Graphics Greek 66.406 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 0.28 kbps
Presentation Graphics Russian 0.363 kbps
Presentation Graphics Czech 0.291 kbps
* Presentation Graphics French 54.234 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Russian 65.151 kbps
* Presentation Graphics English 62.795 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Greek 63.312 kbps
FEL example: Casino royale (HEVC Video 65 kbps)
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DISC INFO:
Disc Title: Casino.Royale.2006.MULTI.COMPLETE.UHD.BLURAY-COASTER
Disc Size: 66,054,739,138 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo: 0.7.5.5
PLAYLIST REPORT:
Name: 00800.MPLS
Length: 2:24:33.289 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 60,899,383,680 bytes
Total Bitrate: 56.17 Mbps
(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 41863 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 65 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020
AUDIO:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3887 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3887 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -31dB
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio German 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Italian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio Czech 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -31dB
Dolby Digital Audio Hungarian 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -31dB
Dolby Digital Audio Polish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -31dB
* DTS Audio Japanese 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
* DTS Audio Japanese 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -31dB
SUBTITLES:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 13.574 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 19.883 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 18.333 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 15.722 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 18.297 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 17.557 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 18.547 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 16.318 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 17.414 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 20.254 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 15.101 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 15.268 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 16.882 kbps
Presentation Graphics Czech 17.940 kbps
Presentation Graphics Hungarian 15.397 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 9.624 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 13.983 kbps
Presentation Graphics Polish 15.657 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 19.190 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 69.850 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 61.988 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 65.461 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 70.091 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 70.029 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 0.993 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 0.987 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 40.844 kbps
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:29 pm
by astephon88
FYI, Dolby Vision wasn't actually enabled in the beta release. Should be fixed now.
https://forums.plex.tv/t/dolby-vision-n ... astephon88
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:31 pm
by Chipless
Late to the party here, so please have patience with me as I am trying to get caught up. Before investing too much time into research, I figured I would ask those of you who have been working to get the Dolby Vision and Atmos combination to work consistently using something like Plex:
Would you consider it worth the effort to setup Plex via an HTPC rather than play UHD disc backups via an Oppo connected to an external hard drive (which is what I've been doing and has been working flawlessly)? The disc backup/Oppo method is very easy and consistent, but obviously the interface of the Oppo isn't the best, and having to unplug/plug in several different external hard drives into the Oppo isn't the most ideal way to browse a movie collection
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:31 pm
by SamuriHL
Haha gotta love feature flags lmao
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:40 pm
by sajtipajti
Good news:
Latest DVDFab 11 can convert a MEL UHD BR to a working single layer DV mp4 file with HR audio (eg. DTS HD-MA).
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General
Complete name : G:\WORK\Video\Spectre.2015\SPECTRE.Title800.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Commercial name : HDR10
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/isom/dby1)
File size : 46.0 GiB
Duration : 2 h 28 min
Overall bit rate : 44.5 Mb/s
Movie name : Spectre
Performer : Sam Mendes
Performer/Sorted by : Sam Mendes
Genre : Action & Adventure & Crime
Description : A cryptic message from Bond’s past sends him on a trail to uncover a sinister organization. While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE.
Encoded date : UTC 2019-10-31 20:30:09
Tagged date : UTC 2019-10-31 21:13:22
Writing application : DVDFab 11.0.5.6
Cover : Yes
Title/Sort : Spectre
LongDescription : A cryptic message from Bond’s past sends him on a trail to uncover a sinister organization. While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE.
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name : HDR10
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Dolby Vision : 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 2 h 28 min
Bit rate : 42.5 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.214
Stream size : 44.0 GiB (96%)
Encoded date : UTC 2019-10-31 20:30:23
Tagged date : UTC 2019-10-31 21:13:21
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC
Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : dtsc
Codec ID/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Duration : 2 h 28 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 kb/s
Sampling rate : 0 Hz
Bit depth : 28 bits
Stream size : 1.56 GiB (3%)
Title : English (dts 5.1)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1
Encoded date : UTC 2019-10-31 20:30:23
Tagged date : UTC 2019-10-31 21:13:20
Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 2 h 28 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 475 MiB (1%)
Title : Hungarian (ac3 5.1)
Language : Hungarian
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : No
Alternate group : 1
Encoded date : UTC 2019-10-31 20:30:23
Tagged date : UTC 2019-10-31 21:13:21
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:48 pm
by RESET_9999
sajtipajti wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:40 pm
Good news:
Latest DVDFab 11 can convert a MEL UHD BR to a working single layer DV mp4 file with HR audio (eg. DTS HD-MA).
mmm I just tried the latest version and I still get both HDR10 & DV in profile 5 which i think, can't be right.
How come your MediaInfo is different? is it up to date? mine is the latest version.
Is it because I use the trial version of DVDFAB ?
and btw your audio is lossy dts, you still need mp4box to add lossless audio.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:35 am
by sajtipajti
RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:48 pm
mmm I just tried the latest version and I still get both HDR10 & DV in profile 5 which i think, can't be right.
My LG OLLED tv recognized it as Dolby Vision.
RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:48 pm
How come your MediaInfo is different? is it up to date? mine is the latest version.
Is it because I use the trial version of DVDFAB ?
Mine is 18.12
RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:48 pm
and btw your audio is lossy dts, you still need mp4box to add lossless audio.
Unfortunately you are right, last evening I was very happy, and unobservant.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:22 pm
by RESET_9999
sajtipajti wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:35 am
My LG OLLED tv recognized it as Dolby Vision.
as I said here:
https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 690#p80363
it's not just about triggering DV.