Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Mouth_of_Sauron
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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agneva wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:41 pm
100% Sure.

In (rare) films with FEL, such as Private Ryan, omitting the EL leads to errors. In this case, the brightness pumps into bright scenes and dark scenes are far too dark. Otherwise I might not have noticed.

where do you get the information from that it can play 2x hevc?
But wouldn't leaving out the EL just make it play exactly as it would on any TV/player that doesn't support DV? So does that mean in rare cases like Private Ryan even the original UHD Blu-Ray will only play properly on DV capable equipment? That sort of thing shouldn't happen should it?
agneva
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The HDR10 plays without Errors.

If you play the EL alone (Ryan) on MPC you see the brightness flashing.

Don't know how the RPU can make the brightness pumping playing the DV without EL.

Buy private Ryan and test yourself! If U don't believe me.
Mouth_of_Sauron
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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agneva wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:08 pm
With the new Firmware CX9 plays DV DL mp4. Tested with James Ryan.
I think it's a little dark.

edit:
it is the same as when I create a DV SL from Private Ryan -> it plays only BL+RPU, not the EL. Picture is falsified :x
I think that the TV is not able to decode 2x HEVC at the same time.


So the purchase of the UBK90 was not in vain :D
CX9? Do you mean the LG OLED CX or the LG OLED C9?

Can the UBK90 install apps like Emby or Plex to play DV mp4s over a network?

Wouldn't you be able to test if the CX can decode 2x HEVC at the same time by muxing a DV mp4 with the main HEVC from one film and the EL from a different film? I did this ages ago just to see what would happen, and the colours were all crazy when played on my C8. If you did this and it played with the crazy colours on both the UBK90 and the CX it would indicate the CX is decoding the EL. If it played crazy colours on the UBK90, but looked normal on the CX it would indicate the the CX is only playing the main stream.

Does that make sense, or is my thinking off?
Mouth_of_Sauron
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Mouth_of_Sauron »

agneva wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:30 pm
The HDR10 plays without Errors.

If you play the EL alone (Ryan) on MPC you see the brightness flashing.

Don't know how the RPU can make the brightness pumping playing the DV without EL.

Buy private Ryan and test yourself! If U don't believe me.
It's not that I don't believe you, and I don't have a CX or UBK90 to test any way. I was just wondering if something else could be causing it other than the TV not decoding the EL.

I haven't looked at this stuff in a while, so I don't know what the RPU is or does - I'd never heard of it before reading your post. Does every DV Blu-Ray have an RPU?
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Mouth_of_Sauron wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:57 am
shawnc22 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:55 am
...only the LG OLEDS (mixed report on the current X-generation ones) will be able to play FEL mp4s.

@shawnc22 are you able to elaborate at all, or provide a link to more information, about the compatibility of the LG OLED X-Generation?

I currently have a C8, but am looking at getting a CX. But I'll will think twice if it can't play these.

Thanks
It's mostly just reports from people on this forum who have said the CX hasnt been able to play DTDL mp4s, but that supposedly changed with the latest firmware. You'd have to ask people here who have that TV for confirmation.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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agneva wrote:With the new Firmware CX9 plays DV DL mp4. Tested with James Ryan.
I think it's a little dark.

edit:
it is the same as when I create a DV SL from Private Ryan -> it plays only BL+RPU, not the EL. Picture is falsified :x
I think that the TV is not able to decode 2x HEVC at the same time.


So the purchase of the UBK90 was not in vain :D
Does UBK90 also support DTDL and lossless audio in m2ts?

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DaMacFunkin wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:25 am
It has a much better peak processing in HDR content compared to the C8.
Any proof on this? Because measurements show the CX have lower peak brightness in hdr compared to previous oled generations.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Mouth_of_Sauron wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:46 pm
CX9? Do you mean the LG OLED CX or the LG OLED C9?

Can the UBK90 install apps like Emby or Plex to play DV mp4s over a network?

Wouldn't you be able to test if the CX can decode 2x HEVC at the same time by muxing a DV mp4 with the main HEVC from one film and the EL from a different film? I did this ages ago just to see what would happen, and the colours were all crazy when played on my C8. If you did this and it played with the crazy colours on both the UBK90 and the CX it would indicate the CX is decoding the EL. If it played crazy colours on the UBK90, but looked normal on the CX it would indicate the the CX is only playing the main stream.

Does that make sense, or is my thinking off?
OLED77CX9LA

UBK90 -> i think not, only USB.

If you give me such a mp4 I´ll try!

I made 3 version of Ryan: DV DL, DV SL & HDR10: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NK71Ck ... sp=sharing
you can try yourself

UBK90: DV DL correct, DV SL pumps
CX9LA: DV SL + DL much to dark + pumps.
Does UBK90 also support DTDL and lossless audio in m2ts?
m2ts/ts will be played in HDR10 + lossless audio.
DT = DV ?
Does every DV Blu-Ray have an RPU?
DV without RPU is HDR10 :roll:
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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agneva wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:53 am
Does UBK90 also support DTDL and lossless audio in m2ts?
m2ts/ts will be played in HDR10 + lossless audio.
DT = DV ?
DT - Dual track. Profile 7 from UHD disks have one track with base layer and another track with enhanced layer. I actually thought of asking whether it supports m2ts playback from USB. Sony's X700 and 800m2 supports them.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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did you try my Ryan Samples?

UBK90 plays m2ts/ts/BluRay folder from USB only the BL HDR10 :-( no DV
Mouth_of_Sauron
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Mouth_of_Sauron »

agneva wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:53 am
If you give me such a mp4 I´ll try!
I'll make one of these and provide a link, just having a little trouble at the moment though. Haven't used MP4Muxer in a while, and for some reason now it finishes "processing" immediately and just creates a 0KB file (no error messages) - so need to figure out that first. All I can think of is I would have upgraded Windows builds since I last used it. Weird.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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agneva wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:01 pm
did you try my Ryan Samples?

UBK90 plays m2ts/ts/BluRay folder from USB only the BL HDR10 :-( no DV
Did you use tsMuxeR to mux the file to m2ts/ts? In order for the x700 to play Dolby Vision files they have to be muxed using tsMuxeR.
I've been using version nightly-2020-11-17--01-21-46:

https://bintray.com/justdan96/tsMuxer/t ... 1-46#files

I've just seen nightly releases have resumed over the last month but I haven't tested a version later than above.
Mouth_of_Sauron
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Mouth_of_Sauron wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:29 pm
Haven't used MP4Muxer in a while, and for some reason now it finishes "processing" immediately and just creates a 0KB file (no error messages).
OK, so this just seem to be a problem with The Invisible Man. This is a Universal release with FEL, but Back to the Future is also a Universal release with FEL and that processes fine.

Has anyone managed to create a DV mp4 of The Invisible Man?
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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deadchip12 wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:02 am
DaMacFunkin wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:25 am
It has a much better peak processing in HDR content compared to the C8.
Any proof on this? Because measurements show the CX have lower peak brightness in hdr compared to previous oled generations.
Ok so I I ‘presumed’ a little,‘I have the C9 and that definitely has better peak processing than the C8 as it has a newer chip the 2nd gen a9 which was specifically implemented for that purpose and has been confirmed in reviews and also many times on the Calman forum.
The CX has the higher gen3 version of the a9, if it isn’t peak processing higher than the C8 then it must be down to the out of the box settings as I have never heard anyone say that on the Calman forums.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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according to rtings:

C8 / C9 / CX

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peak brightness is better on C9 but overall the C8 seem brighter especially at 100%
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