Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Grencola
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Grencola » Wed May 29, 2019 11:23 pm

sm0ke83 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:39 am
Actually the 640kbps dd is best for me. My receiver doesn’t support 4K and also no Dolby Atmos. LG tv does, but I prefer audio from receiver so use optical which only supports up to dd/dts. :P

Going to try with CloneBD though, just curious if it supports lossless audio. Maybe upgrade receiver in a few months :-)
Ah ok, but does your AVR have an ARC port? that would give you dd+

Donpablo80
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Donpablo80 » Thu May 30, 2019 8:38 am

tango306 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:14 pm
Donpablo80 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:01 pm
CloneBD works well with Dolby vision, it even can compress to a smaller file size, but it creates a Dolby digital track with audio description for people who are blind. So a man is telling what is happening on screen. I can not choose a different audio track. This happens with te uhd bluray of Cold Pursuit.
You need *uncheck* those soundtracks and make sure the only main soundtrack it checked.
Yes it worked the second time! think i checked the wrong soundtrack. Thx.

Donpablo80
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Donpablo80 » Thu May 30, 2019 8:41 am

Grencola wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:20 pm
Donpablo80 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:01 pm
CloneBD works well with Dolby vision, it even can compress to a smaller file size, but it creates a Dolby digital track with audio description for people who are blind. So a man is telling what is happening on screen. I can not choose a different audio track. This happens with te uhd bluray of Cold Pursuit.
So do you just select the bdmv folder on your hdd in clonebd, choose mp4 with no compression, and then get a dolby vision mp4 like what mp4muxer makes? can I see the mediainfo of the finished file?
Yes Exactly like that.
Here is the mediainfo of Cold Pursuit i created:

Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/mp42/dby1)
File size : 58,5 GiB
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Overall bit rate : 70,3 Mb/s
Movie name : Cold Pursuit
Writing application : Lavf57.3.100

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate : 62,0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.312
Stream size : 51,5 GiB (88%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 288 cd/m2
Menus : 4
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate : 7 697 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.155
Stream size : 6,40 GiB (11%)
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 1
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

Audio
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 kanalen
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48,0 kHz
Frame rate : 31,250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 545 MiB (1%)
Title : English
Language : Engels
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 2
Menus : 4

Grencola
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Grencola » Thu May 30, 2019 1:55 pm

Donpablo80 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:41 am
Grencola wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:20 pm
Donpablo80 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:01 pm
CloneBD works well with Dolby vision, it even can compress to a smaller file size, but it creates a Dolby digital track with audio description for people who are blind. So a man is telling what is happening on screen. I can not choose a different audio track. This happens with te uhd bluray of Cold Pursuit.
So do you just select the bdmv folder on your hdd in clonebd, choose mp4 with no compression, and then get a dolby vision mp4 like what mp4muxer makes? can I see the mediainfo of the finished file?
Yes Exactly like that.
Here is the mediainfo of Cold Pursuit i created:

Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/mp42/dby1)
File size : 58,5 GiB
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Overall bit rate : 70,3 Mb/s
Movie name : Cold Pursuit
Writing application : Lavf57.3.100

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate : 62,0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.312
Stream size : 51,5 GiB (88%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 288 cd/m2
Menus : 4
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate : 7 697 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.155
Stream size : 6,40 GiB (11%)
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 1
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

Audio
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 kanalen
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48,0 kHz
Frame rate : 31,250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 545 MiB (1%)
Title : English
Language : Engels
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 2
Menus : 4
looks identical! well shit, that was a huge waste of time spending hours coding scripts for my app to help people when this thing exists and even has a pretty gui :shock: And this program is free to download?? does it work on Mac too? Also I wonder if the rear-back left and rear-back right channels get blended into the rear right and rear left channels (like eac3to), or if they're just disregarded (like XMedia Recode). I suppose I could just Google it.. :P

szymon
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by szymon » Thu May 30, 2019 5:04 pm

This CloneBD is great. I couldn't done anything with dv-mp4-maker on some files because I got audio errors and no DV track errors but CloneBD don't see any issues and is producing working mp4.
But I have two questions. How to just copy ac3 track? It looks like CloneBD is recompressing. Or maybe not if I will take same output bitrate like in source? Or maybe better idea is to compress DTS 5.1 to AC3 640 5.1 instead using AC3 448 from disc?

Donpablo80
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Donpablo80 » Thu May 30, 2019 6:36 pm

New update of DVDFab also have the option to make a Dolby Vision mp4

generalmilk
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by generalmilk » Fri May 31, 2019 7:01 pm

onlyauser wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 am
Grencola wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:18 am
Sony TV's can't play dual layer video files in Dolby Vision, unfortunately. The test samples you tried are single layer files that can't be created without official dolby tools. Only certain TV models from LG, Vizio, and TCL can play dual layer dv files, otherwise you'll need either an Oppo 203 or the Chinese clone from bd-mod to play them properly.
Thanks for clarification. Seems like I bet on the wrong horse.

Regards
onlyanuser
I feel you man, as someone switched to x900f from vizio p75f.

I have a question for @Grencola. Is the inability of playing dual layer DV on Sony a hard limit (hardware, cert or kernel) issue from Sony or able to be solved by software? For example, is Kodi able to push an update to play the remuxed mp4 on DV?

Grencola
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Grencola » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:56 am

generalmilk wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:01 pm
onlyauser wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 am
Grencola wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:18 am
Sony TV's can't play dual layer video files in Dolby Vision, unfortunately. The test samples you tried are single layer files that can't be created without official dolby tools. Only certain TV models from LG, Vizio, and TCL can play dual layer dv files, otherwise you'll need either an Oppo 203 or the Chinese clone from bd-mod to play them properly.
Thanks for clarification. Seems like I bet on the wrong horse.

Regards
onlyanuser
I feel you man, as someone switched to x900f from vizio p75f.

I have a question for @Grencola. Is the inability of playing dual layer DV on Sony a hard limit (hardware, cert or kernel) issue from Sony or able to be solved by software? For example, is Kodi able to push an update to play the remuxed mp4 on DV?
aw damn, the p75 is such a great TV too :) Yea it's just a software limit. They could easily allow it if they wanted. And as for Kodi, highly doubtful Dolby will be giving them a license any time soon. Sony's x700 bdp can play the dv mp4s from both usb and dlna servers like plex just fine for under 200 bux.

Donpablo80
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Donpablo80 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:40 am

Grencola wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:56 am
generalmilk wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:01 pm
onlyauser wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 am


Thanks for clarification. Seems like I bet on the wrong horse.

Regards
onlyanuser
I feel you man, as someone switched to x900f from vizio p75f.

I have a question for @Grencola. Is the inability of playing dual layer DV on Sony a hard limit (hardware, cert or kernel) issue from Sony or able to be solved by software? For example, is Kodi able to push an update to play the remuxed mp4 on DV?
aw damn, the p75 is such a great TV too :) Yea it's just a software limit. They could easily allow it if they wanted. And as for Kodi, highly doubtful Dolby will be giving them a license any time soon. Sony's x700 bdp can play the dv mp4s from both usb and dlna servers like plex just fine for under 200 bux.
DVDFab can make single layer dolby vision mp4's and they play on my LG B7. Unfortunately DVDFab only creates a single layer mp4 in compression mode, so not passthrough. In passthrough mode it's dual layer.
Maybe Sony tv's can play these files as well.
Down here the media info file of Aquaman in singel layer mp4.

Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/isom/dby1)
File size : 48,8 GiB
Duration : 2 h 23 min
Overall bit rate : 48,7 Mb/s
Movie name : AQUAMAN.Title89
Encoded date : UTC 2019-06-01 06:28:37
Tagged date : UTC 2019-06-01 07:14:49
Writing application : DVDFab 11.0.3.4
Cover : Yes

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 2 h 23 min
Bit rate : 48,2 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.242
Stream size : 48,2 GiB (99%)
Encoded date : UTC 2019-06-01 06:28:37
Tagged date : UTC 2019-06-01 07:11:03
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 2 h 23 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 kanalen
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48,0 kHz
Frame rate : 31,250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 656 MiB (1%)
Title : English (ac3 5.1)
Language : Engels
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 1
Encoded date : UTC 2019-06-01 06:28:37
Tagged date : UTC 2019-06-01 07:11:03

tango306
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by tango306 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am

Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.

Donpablo80
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Donpablo80 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm

tango306 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am
Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.
Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.

tango306
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by tango306 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:14 pm

Donpablo80 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm
tango306 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am
Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.
Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.
Well, whether the difference is visible or not is different topic. And this is very dependent in viewing environment, equipment and viewer.

Grencola
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Grencola » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:49 pm

tango306 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:14 pm
Donpablo80 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm
tango306 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am
Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.
Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.
Well, whether the difference is visible or not is different topic. And this is very dependent in viewing environment, equipment and viewer.
That's not true at all; HEVC is NOT just a lossy codec. It can be perfectly lossless. In fact, Blurays use HEVC :) This is also such minor compression, we're talking a few mbits, that he's right, you won't see that. Plus the benefit could be a HUGE; what's now stopping us from demuxing the new single layer dv video track, and then muxing it with the hd-audio + atmos track into a ts container to now get full playback we've been wanting without an Oppo?! Apple TV 4k running MrMC, the Sony X700 BDP, and some TV's with e-arc can playback dolby vision from single layer video files and they support hd audio. I'm pretty excited! :D
Last edited by Grencola on Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

tango306
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by tango306 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:42 pm

Grencola wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:49 pm
tango306 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:14 pm
Donpablo80 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm


Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.
Well, whether the difference is visible or not is different topic. And this is very dependent in viewing environment, equipment and viewer.
That's not true at all; HEVC is NOT just a lossy codec. It can be perfectly lossless. In fact, Blurays use HEVC :) This is also such minor compression, we're talking a few mbits, that he's right, you won't see that. Plus the benefit could be a HUGE; what's now stopping us from demuxing the new single layer dv video track, and then muxing it with the hd-audio + atmos track into a ts container to now get full playback we've been wanting without an Oppo?! Apple TV 4k running MrMC, can playback dolby vision from single layer video files and it supports hd audio. I'm pretty excited! :D
H.265 HEVC is lossy codec. Period.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by bgalakazam » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:21 pm

Grencola, I recently got Atmos stuff. So back to this, any way to do DV with lossy Atmos? I know there is ATV4K solution, but I only have a Sony X700.


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