Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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shawnc22
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by shawnc22 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:39 pm

kws53 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:22 pm
shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:03 pm

a) Use the x700. Extract out the BL & EL from the main video of the iso and mux with latest nightly of tsmuxer. No yusecope's tool needed.
b) Rip with makemkv 1.15.4 and done, no conversions needed. FEL will play, but EL is ignored.
c) You cannot control this unless you have an HDFury or another EDID spoofer. Your playback chain will always result in TV-Led DV.
a) No problem, thanks
b) Is this equivalent to GAMMA? I don't use MakeMKV.

It will be interesting to see differences in the output between a) and b).
Not sure what GAMMA spits out, but at this stage, yusecope's tool is not needed for playback on the Shield. Just rip with makemkv and call it a day; it's the best result you'll get with the Shield. Comparisons between a) and b) have been done extensively by @RESET_9999 and @Manixx2000, and they show the Shield's picture inaccuracies.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by XTrojan » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:13 am

I have been checking out some BluRay players, specifically the Panasonic UB820, The sony X700, X800M2 and X1100. In most reviews it says the UB820 has the best PQ for Dolby Vision but it has subpar support for playing back ripped BDs. Do the Sonys have as good network streaming support (of Bluray files) like for say Kodi or Plex does (without the dolby vision bugs/issues, full support MEL & FEL and TV-Led playback)?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:07 pm

XTrojan wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:13 am
I have been checking out some BluRay players, specifically the Panasonic UB820, The sony X700, X800M2 and X1100. In most reviews it says the UB820 has the best PQ for Dolby Vision but it has subpar support for playing back ripped BDs. Do the Sonys have as good network streaming support (of Bluray files) like for say Kodi or Plex does (without the dolby vision bugs/issues, full support MEL & FEL and TV-Led playback)?
All the bluray players have the same DV SDK so they all output the same quality.
Yes the Sony support tv-led, FEL, MEL... No DV color issues. All of this has been answered in the past few days. you guys should read the thread a bit instead of repeating the same questions over and over
Network playback(DLNA, no plex) works too but it's not fast enough for high bitrate movies.
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by deadchip12 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:28 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:13 pm
deadchip12 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:23 am
I have a few more questions:
-what is the usb port on the x700? Is it usb 3.0? For high bitrate movies, is there any problem (e.g. stuttering, freezing) playing the dolby vision m2ts file straight from the external hdd connected to the x700? Gemini Man in 4k 60fps dolby vision is an example. That file stutters like hell on my c9, but probably that's because the c9's chip is not powerful enough, not because of the usb speed.
-why do you need the Shield when you have a powerful pc and the x700 that can play everything I wonder?
USB 2.0 only but it's more than enough speed..... I watched tons of DV movie on the x700 and never experienced any problem. Gemini Man 60fps included. Some longer movies cannot be Fast Forward but not a big issue to me.

I bought a Shield on day 1 because I wanted Atmos (lossy) support on Netflix, Disney. Plus back then, I had no idea what fel or mel was. Also, I really like Movies Anywhere app (close quality to bluray) and hate Apple.
Turns out, the lack of frame-rate-match annoys me enough to still use my x700 for Netflix lol . tried the beta app but it caused occasional stutter. So I only use my shield for MA... PC can't play DV.
Any idea why longer movies can't be fast forwarded?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by kws53 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:09 pm

While the Shield/CX combination has issues with DV, do they handle HDR10 perfectly?

XTrojan
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by XTrojan » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:33 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:07 pm
XTrojan wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:13 am
I have been checking out some BluRay players, specifically the Panasonic UB820, The sony X700, X800M2 and X1100. In most reviews it says the UB820 has the best PQ for Dolby Vision but it has subpar support for playing back ripped BDs. Do the Sonys have as good network streaming support (of Bluray files) like for say Kodi or Plex does (without the dolby vision bugs/issues, full support MEL & FEL and TV-Led playback)?
All the bluray players have the same DV SDK so they all output the same quality.
Yes the Sony support tv-led, FEL, MEL... No DV color issues. All of this has been answered in the past few days. you guys should read the thread a bit instead of repeating the same questions over and over
Network playback(DLNA, no plex) works too but it's not fast enough for high bitrate movies.
Alright, I understand if it it's same quality on both I'll just buy the best one with best DLNA streaming. It's a bit lame they don't support high bitrate movies though is it limited by a 100mbps connection or wifi? Or any way to fix since most Blu-Ray rips can reach 140Mbps? Also curious what formats in dolby vision it supports like mkv, mp4 etc

Second question, ripping with MP4 like on this thread, is it a profile that contains MEL+FEL and everything? Was thinking of trying to test this on my LG CX with the WebOS player to try to see the difference (if it works)

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by morbius » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:37 pm

I've looked through a lot of this thread, and have struggled to pin down whether a workflow exists that delivers an X700-friendly file with both DV video and TrueHD audio (with support for forced subs as the icing on the cake). While some of my 4K content is DTS, a lot is TrueHD/Atmos. I figured out that tsmuxer does not support the latter, and needs an AC3 track, does this mean I have to forego TrueHD audio? I'd rather have the hi-res audio and HDR10 than trade that for DV.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by glc650 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:21 pm

XTrojan wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:33 pm
Alright, I understand if it it's same quality on both I'll just buy the best one with best DLNA streaming. It's a bit lame they don't support high bitrate movies though is it limited by a 100mbps connection or wifi? Or any way to fix since most Blu-Ray rips can reach 140Mbps? Also curious what formats in dolby vision it supports like mkv, mp4 etc
The X800M2 supports wifi 5 (ac) so you should be able to avoid any buffering (assuming you can connect at a high enough rate) caused by high bit rate movies that way.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by shawnc22 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:24 pm

morbius wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:37 pm
I've looked through a lot of this thread, and have struggled to pin down whether a workflow exists that delivers an X700-friendly file with both DV video and TrueHD audio (with support for forced subs as the icing on the cake). While some of my 4K content is DTS, a lot is TrueHD/Atmos. I figured out that tsmuxer does not support the latter, and needs an AC3 track, does this mean I have to forego TrueHD audio? I'd rather have the hi-res audio and HDR10 than trade that for DV.
Tsmuxer supports truehd; it just has to contain an ac3 core, which the original m2ts files on the disc always do. The workflow is literally just drop the main playlist file into tsmuxer and click mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by glc650 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:25 pm

morbius wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:37 pm
I've looked through a lot of this thread, and have struggled to pin down whether a workflow exists that delivers an X700-friendly file with both DV video and TrueHD audio (with support for forced subs as the icing on the cake). While some of my 4K content is DTS, a lot is TrueHD/Atmos. I figured out that tsmuxer does not support the latter, and needs an AC3 track, does this mean I have to forego TrueHD audio? I'd rather have the hi-res audio and HDR10 than trade that for DV.
This really isn't a problem since in order to even get DV (in the tsmuxer remux) you need to remux from the full Blu-ray BDMV anyway (so the AC3 core should be there). If the "source" you are working with doesn't have the AC3 core then you are probably working with a movie that was improperly remuxed or (worst) re-encoded.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:52 pm

kws53 wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:09 pm
While the Shield/CX combination has issues with DV, do they handle HDR10 perfectly?
yes, HDR10 on the Shield is accurate and matches 100% my x700 and HTPC.
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by morbius » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:20 pm

This really isn't a problem since in order to even get DV (in the tsmuxer remux) you need to remux from the full Blu-ray BDMV anyway (so the AC3 core should be there). If the "source" you are working with doesn't have the AC3 core then you are probably working with a movie that was improperly remuxed or (worst) re-encoded.
thanks, all my rips are direct via makemkv, but I never tick the box to include a separate DD/DTS core in the output mkv, as I have no need for it. So I realise now that such an mkv cannot be an input for tsmuxer. But if I do a full-disc decrypted backup and identify the main-title playlist, I'll be set. So maybe the X700 will be an option worth looking at.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by morbius » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:13 pm

one further quick question: does it make any difference if I output ts or m2ts from tsmuxer, with the X700 as the playback device?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by lexyz » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:32 pm

Driveless chinese oppo clone named M9702 or similar could be more interesting compared to X800M2
1Gbps LAN
BDMV folders over network with working Blu-ray menu
HDR10/DV/HDR10+
Bravia XF90, Shield TV Pro'19, UBP-X700

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by glc650 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:36 pm

morbius wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:13 pm
one further quick question: does it make any difference if I output ts or m2ts from tsmuxer, with the X700 as the playback device?
I never tried always used m2ts since that is the container found on BR disc anyway. I would go with X800M2 at this point (unless you don't have good wifi 5 signal where the player will go).

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