UHD drives

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Billycar11
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Re: UHD drives

Post by Billycar11 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:20 am

GALECOLLE wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:55 pm

I'm not sure what exactly is to do a cross-flash but seems that at least there is one that I could try. I'd need to educate myself to learn it.

Not sure if this is possible but could I get an internal drive and buy a cable that converts SATA to USB 3.0? Power would be a problem maybe.

The other thing is that I saw people mentioning about supporting local, I liked the idea I think that I will send an email to those folks and see if there is someone around.

Thanks
cross flashing is flashing a drive with a different firmware other than its own it will then show up and act as the other drive mostly.
example flash a LG WH16NS40 to a Asus BW-16D1HT for a faster read speed
or
cross flash any friendly drive to a LG WH16NS60 to get rid of the sleep bug.

yes it is possible i would say over 50% people who buy from me are putting the internal drives in external enclosures like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR ... 0DER&psc=1 and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XR ... 1XP5&psc=1 and budget option https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07452Z3KH/re ... UTF8&psc=1

MartyMcNuts
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Re: UHD drives

Post by MartyMcNuts » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:49 am

Another, cheaper option is to use a Unitek Y-1034 cable instead of an external enclosure. This is what I use for my 2nd back-up drive. It converts SATA to USB 3.0 and includes a power adapter.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/UNITEK-Y-10 ... 1438.l2649

MartyMcNuts
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Re: UHD drives

Post by MartyMcNuts » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:50 am

@Billycar11,

If you still have your WH16NS60 and a blank DVD and/or BD, could you possibly run a little test and post your results?

I heard from @SamuriHL that he (and another person) could not successfully burn a BD with his WH16NS60 cross-flashed to ASUS 3.02. (They made some coasters!)

SamuriHL
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Re: UHD drives

Post by SamuriHL » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:21 am

Yes I did lol. Yeah I tested it because a user I've been helping used the patched flasher to cross flash his 1.01 LG ns60 to Asus 3.02. so it shouldn't have touched his encryption data or calibration data. So I flashed mine the same way and fried a bdre to the point of not being able to recover it. I'd be curious if anyone else with a ns60 sees a similar burning issue with cross flashed firmware.

Just to clarify both of us were fine after flashing back to LG firmware. I put 1.00 back on using the patched flasher and wrote the same iso to another disc with no problem.

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Billycar11
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Re: UHD drives

Post by Billycar11 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:40 am

yeah i will try a dvd i have 3 wh16ns60s coming in a few days 1 is supposed to be mine but, they always end up getting sold before i get it lol

SamuriHL
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Re: UHD drives

Post by SamuriHL » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:52 pm

I'm likely to get to it today. Testiles flashed an ns40 firmware on his ns60 and it's able to do everything now. He burned a bdr and it's friendly. I still want to know if flashing the calibration data for the Asus 3.02 firmware will work so I'll try it in a bit.

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Re: UHD drives

Post by SamuriHL » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:20 pm

Alright boys and girls, I have the data we need regarding cross flashing the ASUS 3.02 firmware onto an LG NS60 and being able to write to BD-R/E media. Here's what I did:

Took my firmware bin dump from my ASUS drive that has 3.02 natively (never downgraded or molested in any way LOL) on it and replaced the drive encryption data with the encryption data extracted from my LG drive. I then fired up my WinPE image and dosflashed it onto the LG that has 1.00 on it. So we now have a drive that is flashed with ASUS firmware and calibration data with the LG digital signature. I tested opening a UHD with AnyDVD just to make sure the digital signature of the drive is working. No issue. Then I burned a 25gb BD-R with a UHD ISO I made of a Dolby Vision movie using ImgBurn. I'm now watching said disc on my UB820 (with Dolby Vision and ATMOS...nice). What's left to do is restore the drive back to LG 1.00 (and leave the poor thing alone...it's had a rough couple weeks of life LMAO) and do another test burn to ensure nothing got screwed up.

In any case, if you want to cross flash and keep the ability to write discs, using the calibration data from the firmware you're flashing to will make it work, BUT, that means flashing with dosflash. Choose wisely. LOL

jonghotti
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Re: UHD drives

Post by jonghotti » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:14 pm

So this is different from what’s been possible all along how?
Does MakeMKV report the drive as an ASUS or an LG?
Thank you.

SamuriHL
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Re: UHD drives

Post by SamuriHL » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:43 pm

Um, it's not different from what's been possible. The point of this was to show that if someone cross flashes the NS60 using the patched windows flasher (aka the "safe" flashing method) to the ASUS 3.02 firmware, they will not be able to burn BD media. I wanted to ensure that what we thought we knew about using dosflash was indeed accurate in that if you use the calibration data from an ASUS drive that has the firmware on it that you're cross flashing to, it essentially turns the NS60 into a full on ASUS drive. And yes, it shows up as an ASUS once you do that. But the key here is not using the LG calibration data that was extracted but instead using the calibration data from a drive that you're flashing to. So in that sense, given that the "old method" of using dosflash typically doesn't do that, then I guess it's technically different than what's been done before but was always possible. In any case, cross flashing to another LG drive works fine, as well, even with the patched windows flasher method. It's only when you cross from the LG NS60 to the ASUS 3.0x firmware did I see an issue. And since it wasn't just my drive that had the issue I wanted to report my findings to let people know. I can't imagine too many people are buying NS60's and cross flashing them to ASUS 3.0x firmware but in case they do they should be aware so as not to burn a lot of BD media coasters. That's all.

GALECOLLE
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Re: UHD drives

Post by GALECOLLE » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:26 pm

MartyMcNuts wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:49 am
Another, cheaper option is to use a Unitek Y-1034 cable instead of an external enclosure. This is what I use for my 2nd back-up drive. It converts SATA to USB 3.0 and includes a power adapter.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/UNITEK-Y-10 ... 1438.l2649
So, basically if I get one cable, like the unitek Y-1039https://www.amazon.com/Unitek-2-5-Inch- ... L41MA?th=1 with power adapter and a WH16NS40 firmware 1.02 I should be fine, correct?

What is better, try the option above or get the BU50N flash drive to BU40N?

In terms of software should I be concern with something?

MartyMcNuts
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Re: UHD drives

Post by MartyMcNuts » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:38 pm

GALECOLLE wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:26 pm
MartyMcNuts wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:49 am
Another, cheaper option is to use a Unitek Y-1034 cable instead of an external enclosure. This is what I use for my 2nd back-up drive. It converts SATA to USB 3.0 and includes a power adapter.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/UNITEK-Y-10 ... 1438.l2649
So, basically if I get one cable, like the unitek Y-1039https://www.amazon.com/Unitek-2-5-Inch- ... L41MA?th=1 with power adapter and a WH16NS40 firmware 1.02 I should be fine, correct?

What is better, try the option above or get the BU50N flash drive to BU40N?

In terms of software should I be concern with something?
That cable has a different design than the Y-1034 but looks basically the same otherwise. A cable + internal drive such as WH16NS40 would still probably work out cheaper than a BU50N. All depends on your personal preferences and what you can afford (or want to spend!)

Also, IMO, laptop drives don't seem to be as sturdy and/or reliable as internal desktop drives either.

Software doesn't really matter unless you want to watch UHD's on your PC/laptop. Even if you do, once you have ripped them using MakeMKV, the encryption is removed, so you can use a player such as MPC-HC or VLC etc to watch movies.

GALECOLLE
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Re: UHD drives

Post by GALECOLLE » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:57 pm

MartyMcNuts wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:38 pm
GALECOLLE wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:26 pm
MartyMcNuts wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:49 am
Another, cheaper option is to use a Unitek Y-1034 cable instead of an external enclosure. This is what I use for my 2nd back-up drive. It converts SATA to USB 3.0 and includes a power adapter.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/UNITEK-Y-10 ... 1438.l2649
So, basically if I get one cable, like the unitek Y-1039https://www.amazon.com/Unitek-2-5-Inch- ... L41MA?th=1 with power adapter and a WH16NS40 firmware 1.02 I should be fine, correct?

What is better, try the option above or get the BU50N flash drive to BU40N?

In terms of software should I be concern with something?
That cable has a different design than the Y-1034 but looks basically the same otherwise. A cable + internal drive such as WH16NS40 would still probably work out cheaper than a BU50N. All depends on your personal preferences and what you can afford (or want to spend!)

Also, IMO, laptop drives don't seem to be as sturdy and/or reliable as internal desktop drives either.

Software doesn't really matter unless you want to watch UHD's on your PC/laptop. Even if you do, once you have ripped them using MakeMKV, the encryption is removed, so you can use a player such as MPC-HC or VLC etc to watch movies.
Thank you! :D

jonghotti
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Re: UHD drives

Post by jonghotti » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:15 am

Let’s not make assumptions about things based on their appearance because then rumors start and pretty soon it becomes gospel when in reality it’s bullshit :-)

The BU40N drives are plenty strong and to further ensure their safety I ship them in strong little enclosures.

I’ve been stress testing one sans enclosure for weeks now and other then being rather noisy it’s still ripping fast and error free.

Noise is not an issue for me when it’s enclosed.

fizban11
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Re: UHD drives

Post by fizban11 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:36 am

All,

Older and very confused as to what I need to do, so please be gentle. I have an LG16NS40 v1.03 and an LG16NS60 v1.01. Can anyone point me to a page with instructions on how to either 1) downgrade the FW for either player or 2) cross-flash either player so that one or both of these drives will rip UHD discs with makemkv? I am fairly clear on the keys_hashed file and made sure I have them in the correct data file. I just need a little help in getting one of these players to work for what I need.

Any help is much appreciated!

d00zah
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Re: UHD drives

Post by d00zah » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:43 am

fizban11 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:36 am
All,

Older and very confused as to what I need to do, so please be gentle. I have an LG16NS40 v1.03 and an LG16NS60 v1.01. Can anyone point me to a page with instructions on how to either 1) downgrade the FW for either player or 2) cross-flash either player so that one or both of these drives will rip UHD discs with makemkv? I am fairly clear on the keys_hashed file and made sure I have them in the correct data file. I just need a little help in getting one of these players to work for what I need.

Any help is much appreciated!
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=18933#p70766

NOTE: Make certain the WH16NS40 PHYSICAL label reads "SVC code: NS50", or the hardware is too old.

And manual download of HK file was obsolete a few releases back... key retrieval is now automagic.

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